Walking in the Spirit - Episode 45

Unlocking the Spiritual Realm Through the Guidance of the Spirit

This episode aims to introduce viewers to the spiritual realm, offering insights for those beginning their spiritual journey or for those looking to deepen their walk.  The conversation covers how to decipher the spiritual realm, the importance of spiritual rebirth, the role of the Holy Spirit, and how to develop a spiritually conscious life. They emphasize obedience, faith, and discernment as key aspects of spiritual maturity and highlight the transformative power of the Holy Spirit in guiding believers towards a peaceful and purpose-driven life. The hosts also share analogies and personal experiences to elucidate these spiritual concepts.

Transcript

Episode 45 - Walking In The Spirit

Justin: [00:00:00] Hi everyone, this is Justin Olbrantz and this is Don Schaefer, and you are listening to The Wise and the Wandering Podcast. For those who know “The Way,” And for those who are led astray. And if you feel like you fall into either of those categories, then you're in the right place. So let's dive in...

Justin: So Don, what are we going to talk about today? 

Don: I think we're gonna talk about walking in the spirit. Justin, 

Justin: walking in the spirit. Yes. That seems like a pretty interesting one. 

Don: It is, it is. I know in Galatians it says, you walk in the spirit, you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 

Justin: Yes. And that's a tough thing to, , um, it's a tough thing to do, to not fulfill the desires of the flesh.

Justin: Oh, it is. It really is. The world is so full of desires [00:01:00] of everything that's in the flesh. Yes. So, yeah, today is really to talk about first to kind of decipher. And to, to distinguish what is the spirit, what is the spiritual realm, and how do we walk in it? Right? And then I guess the second phase of it is 

Justin: basically, now that we understand it, now that we understand that, going through what we can do to ensure that we continue to walk in it. Right. Right. 

Don: Yeah, that, that's very good. I think this is gonna be very, um, very interesting podcast because, . It's like you're saying, you know, walking in the flesh, it, uh, is something that everybody gets involved in, but walking in the spirit is a, is a whole different pattern.

Don: It's, you know, you have to be born from above to be walking in the spirit, because when we're born into this world, we're basically spiritually dead. 

cross-talk: Yeah. 

Don: There is no spirit, you know? So it's all the flesh, all the desires, what feels good, what we think is good, these are things we do. But when we come to [00:02:00] realization of who God is and who Jesus Christ is.

Don: And we realized that the Bible says that Jesus, when he died, he rose again from the dead, and the Bible , talks about the same spirit being inside of us. Mm-hmm. That was in Jesus. And so , it takes on a whole new realm. I know I've talked to a lot of people about the word of God, and they have had a lot of different reasons why it's.

Don: Not correct why it's false and all that, but you have to realize that the Bible is spiritually discerned. Mm-hmm. You know, this book is really alive and the words and the understanding take a spiritual mind to understand that. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Don: You know, and it takes a spiritual mind to understand that. And a lot of people don't have that. And it's interesting too, you know, you look at, um,, , different individuals in the Bible, like Paul the Apostle, he's a big one in the Bible, but talks about him, you know, becoming born again. He had all, all kinds of knowledge.

Don: He knew all the things about God, but he didn't have the spirit of God. Working inside of him and all of a sudden he gets blessed with the [00:03:00] baptism of the Holy Spirit. Mm-hmm. And it changes his walk. Mm-hmm. This was a guy that was very murderous and, you know, everybody better be following his religion and what he believed, or you know, they're gonna be penalized for that.

Don: Or all of a sudden he changes completely. All of a sudden he becomes a loving type individual and he would minister to people. He would minister to people and share the things of God, and he would talk about Jesus and he would. Disciple them and you know, get 'em disciplined in the things of God. Mm-hmm.

Don: And he'd work until he could see Jesus in them until you could see 'em walk. 'cause I know when you look at a little child, when they get to be about a year or less, you're looking at 'em every day. When are they gonna walk? Mm-hmm. You know, when are they gonna get up? They mean they're hanging on things right now, but when are they gonna walk across the room?

Don: And then they walk across the room and everybody gets excited. It's the same thing walking in the spirit. You know, you look and you minister to people, you talk. Talk to 'em about Jesus, but you don't realize when they exactly got to the place where Jesus has [00:04:00] placed himself inside. Mm-hmm. You know, and that becomes walking in the spirit.

Don: Yeah. You start to see the fruits of their life and great things coming out of that. 

Justin: Yeah. And you start to see the fruits of the spirits, like they're often referred to. And the whole point of Jesus coming is so that we can have that Holy Spirit. Yes. You know, we can have. The spirit that's poured out for all believers.

Justin: Right. All believers of God. So in this sense, to walk in the spirit is to walk along the path of peace. Yeah. Yeah. Very peaceful. 'cause Jesus is called the prince of peace. Yes. 

Don: Yes. And 

Justin: if you read, when you're reading the Bible, you see that all of the early disciples, and even Paul, when he became discipled, , when they come into a a building or they go to a new city, they say.

Justin: Peace be with you. The peace of Christ Jesus be with you right now. Right, right. Because there's a certain level of peace that peace comes from freedom. Yeah. That freedom comes from being [00:05:00] spiritually reborn, like you were saying. That's right. So our spiritual rebirth is something that happens here. 

Don: Yes. 

Justin: Um, a lot of the times I think this gets confused and mistranslated as the spiritual rebirth is something that.

Justin: It happens and starts here, but then , , , it's finished once we pass away from this life into the next. Right? And that's not exactly true because first you have to understand what the spirit actually is, uh, how the spiritual realm you could call it sort of works.

Justin: And I guess let's just start with the Holy Spirit, right? Yes. Think of the Holy Spirit. Okay. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is a person. Okay? So if the Holy Spirit is a person, I just want you to think about the word personality, right? Okay. Personality, it comes from. Persona, right person. [00:06:00] Meaning how we would describe ourselves and the qualities and attributes that we have, right?

Justin: That is what we describe as our person. , um, that's what we describe as our personality. Yeah. But what if personality is actually referring to our person in a spiritual sense? 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: You see what I mean? So there's certain things that we say that we have. We have anger and we have rage, and we have depression.

Justin: And these are like part of our personality. Yes, certain. But what if this is actually, . Spirits that make up our person, right? So the Holy Spirit. Then the Bible says that when we are spiritually reborn, when we're dead to the flesh, right dead to sin, because sin is what caused death.

Justin: When we're dead to the flesh, we're crucified with Christ and reborn in his spirit. Yes. His spirit and our spirit become one. Right, right, right. There's a marriage happening there. There is. So the Holy Spirit [00:07:00] is the embodiment of what is holy. Right? Mm-hmm. And now we can be used by him to gain everlasting life or eternal life.

Justin: Right. And walk in authority. Yes. Right? So this is a lot. This is how this works. Is that there's a whole spiritual world going on out there. Jesus talks a lot about it and right in the year of 2025, it's kind of hard sometimes to discern what is spiritual and what's not. Yeah. 'cause many people are caught up living the desires of the flesh.

Justin: Like you said, everybody wants to satisfy the flesh. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: But the spiritual world needs to be discerned because we're. Essentially in a battlefield. 

Don: Yes, we are. And we, 

Justin: we did one episode about talking about growing in the spirit. Mm-hmm. And spiritual maturity is very important. But before you can mature in anything, you have to understand where you are.

Justin: Yeah. To begin with. Yeah. So so [00:08:00] right now, when you are living by the flesh, right? Mm-hmm. You're governed. By the flesh. Yes. Your life is governed. 

Don: Yeah. 

Justin: The appetites, the cravings you have the impulses, you have the desires. You have. Yeah. Your addictions.

Don: Yes. 

Justin: You're governed by the flesh and God wants you to be governed by the spirit. 

Don: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: By his spirit. Since God is spirit, right. We worship him in spirit and truth. 

Don: That's right. 

Justin: This is the way we have to shift our awareness. 

Don: Yeah. 

Justin: And our focus so that we can communicate with him where he is so we can begin to grow in him.

Justin: Right. Okay. . So to grow in him is to put off the flesh and to walk with Christ in the spirit. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: Right. So this is why we now have direct access to the Holy Spirit. Right. Which. Used to be just reserved for the high priests. The veil's been torn.

Justin: Right. Since, since the [00:09:00] temple's been torn down, the veil's been torn, and now we have direct access because we have the one high priest for us. Right, right. We have the one mediator between us and God. Who is Jesus. Jesus. That's right. We now have direct access and a way back to our father. 

Don: Oh man. 

Justin: In the spirit. Yep. 

Don: Yep. That is, uh, very good. You know, I can just break that down a little bit here because, um, what happened was in the beginning when Adam and Eve, let's going back a long ways. But, , they became spiritually dead when they mm-hmm.

Don: Disobeyed God and doubted God. And so mankind at that time became spiritually dead. And they, so God set up a lot of rules and regulations for them to follow because there was nothing inside them to direct them. And that's where Jesus came along. And Jesus was the perfect man, the man that was born from above.

Don: And he had the spirit of God within him and he promised. The disciples before he left, he says, you know, I'm going to send you a comforter and a helper. [00:10:00] I'm gonna give you everything you need. You know, you look at what God's plan for mankind is. What he's wanting to do is reproduce inside of us. Of Jesus Christ.

Don: Mm-hmm. 

cross-talk: You 

Don: know, the same spirit that's within. And when we open up our hearts and our lives, and this is a process, this is not something easy because the flesh is very dumb, very, not very intelligent, but it's very strong. I mean, it gets a grip on people and that's where , we need to help. We need help with this.

Don: And so his spirit is what gives us the help. And we have to realize that a lot of this is a daily. Process of talking to Jesus, of getting connected with him, asking him, yeah. Holding him to his promises. Mm-hmm. Saying, you know, I can't do this by myself, and you never will do it by yourself. It's all gotta be a God operation.

Don: And at the end when it's all done. It will be what he created inside you, not what you created for yourself. Mm-hmm. And you can see people that are walking in the spirit. They [00:11:00] have a different walk, different way of walking in life. And like you were talking about the peace, the Bible talks about peace that surpasses all understanding.

Don: Having a walk with the spirit teaches you how to handle things because this world without the spirit of God is dangerous. The spirit without the spirit of God is. Nothing but troublesome. You know? It doesn't matter how much money you make or whatever you got, you can't take nothing with you. Nothing makes sense of why anything is on this world and why we're even living.

Don: Right. Unless God had a plan and that was his plan from the beginning to reproduce that spirit of that was in Jesus Christ, in each and every one of us. 

Justin: Yes. And that's why he is the Holy Spirit. Yeah, because God himself, he's holy. He's separated right from this world system, from , the nature of evil or anything like that.

Justin: And he has a divine nature like we've talked about in the last episode. Yes. And I like [00:12:00] what you said there about, going back to Adam and Eve because you know, our life, like you said, our life was created to glorify God, our creator made us. To spread his glory, right? To see him be glorified in us.

Justin: That was the purpose of his creation. Yeah. And to go, , he says, go and have dominion and be fruitful and multiply. Right? Yeah. Because he wanted to see his glory be multiplied right in the earth. You know, we are supposed to be built up in his likeness because we're made in his image.

Justin: Right. So the point of Jesus coming here, the gospel, right, everybody's heard it, is to bring us back to the Father. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: And the way that the, the way you know you can hear or understand the Holy Spirit is by understanding the spirit.

Justin: You know it's in the name itself, right? If you wanna understand how he operates and you wanna understand how he can be involved [00:13:00] in your life, , then you have to understand this, how the spirit works. 

cross-talk: Yeah. And

Justin: we've talked about this before, where the spirit is kind of like a sense, you know, it's kind of something there that's maybe a little taboo and controversial sometimes.

Justin: Mm-hmm. But the Holy Spirit, again, think about it. The Holy Spirit is separated. The Holy Spirit is gonna lead you into all truth. Right. The Holy Spirit is gonna keep your path separate, keep you on that narrow path, right? Mm-hmm. Narrow is the way. Yeah. Few will find it. Right, right, right. Because it's a tough path to walk.

Justin: The flesh is tough to get around. The flesh does rule many things. I mean, the flesh, , when we crave something, when we have an appetite for something, we don't wait very long to satisfy that. Yeah. It's a phrase and many times the spirit is. Ahead of things. The spirit.

Justin: I like to say that things happen in the spirit before they happen in the physical. Mm-hmm. They happen there, and you [00:14:00] know this because when you start to walk in the spirit, there are leadings and there are promptings. So there's promptings in your life that happen. There's promptings, things that you might experience or hear.

Justin: Revelations, whatever the case is. Yeah. There's promptings that happen that might guide you. That might lead you. Yeah. That might help you to help other people in the moment. Right. There's something that happens and , it might seem like a thought that comes to you, but really it's happening in the spirit.

Justin: Yeah. It is a prompting from the Holy Spirit that's telling you maybe you should go. That's good to this person over here and, and mentioned this, and to you it might seem crazy because in the flesh where we think about things and everything is based on this worldly system where our thoughts rule and govern us.

Justin: Right? That's right. Everything is Wow, that doesn't, no, this, , this can't be something that I should be doing right now. Mm-hmm. But that's where the obedience comes in. Yeah. Right? Oh yeah. So in that, so there's promptings and there's [00:15:00] leadings.

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: And after promptings, the leadings are when you start to get in tune. With the spirit, when you start to understand the way the Holy Spirit communicates to you, because I do believe this is going to be different for everybody. When we're reborn, we're a new creation. We are, therefore, there's nothing that means it's never been created before.

Justin: Yeah. From what I was before. I am now a new creation. I've never been done before, so the way that the Holy Spirit can use me mm-hmm. Is probably different than how he can use you. Right? Yeah. But when you start to get in tune with that. And I'd like to say the primary way that you can do that and start to start to sense that and understand that is through obedience.

Justin: Yeah. When you start to get in your secret place and you start to really pray for wisdom and guidance. Mm-hmm. And for spiritual direction, , new, spiritual eyes, right. You will get those things right. You will get these promptings and when you start to follow and walk in this, you'll start to get these leadings.

Justin: Yes, you will. [00:16:00] And you'll start to become, just like your own thoughts would guide you and direct you throughout the day. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: It'll almost be like a new nature. Yeah. Because you'll start to understand when he's speaking to you. Right. And you start to understand the impact that that has, right? Yep. Yep.

Justin: The. The weight that is on whatever you're being called to do or told in the moment, there's a weight there. Yes, it's sometimes it can be overwhelming, but the first thing is to really understand that this whole world exists and there's a lot of things that can come with attacks and all this stuff by the enemy, but I just first want to address that.

Justin: The first step in walking this is understanding how to walk in it. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Don: That's right. And what you're saying there is very good there, Justin, because , you know, when you talk about, you know, directions and stuff, I think there's a part of mankind that, , they call it a conscience. Yeah. And I know a lot of people say that in this day and age, people don't have a conscience.

Don: Mm-hmm. The right from wrong. You raise [00:17:00] your children, you raise 'em up, and you teach 'em this is right and that's wrong when they get old. You hope they follow their conscience of what you instilled in them. But that's where like, when you're talking about that, I know the Bible, , talks about a, uh, a new placing a new heart inside of a person and writing the laws, the directions and everybody, everything a person needs on your heart, you know?

Don: So I know I had a guy one time that came up to me, he says, Don, he says, yeah. He says, I want to get close with God and is there any set of rules that I need to follow or whatever. And I told him, I said, no, I don't think so. What you need to do is get connected with God, because for everybody, it's a new set of rules.

Don: Mm-hmm. I mean, for me to tell you, Justin, how to live your life, I mean, that might be how I needed to live my life. Right. But God might have a totally different plan. 

cross-talk: Yeah. 

Don: And so I was telling this guy, you need to get connected with him. Mm-hmm. And what the, what a spirit does, it directs you. Mm-hmm. It creates a rights and wrongs inside you like you're saying.

Don: You're being directed in this way or directed in that way, that's the spirit of God [00:18:00]directing you. Mm-hmm. And you get tuned in with God. And I know the Bible talks a little bit about the desires of our heart are the same desires God has after a while. 'cause the flesh has got a lot of desires. Mm-hmm. And some of 'em aren't too good.

Don: Yeah. You get yourself in a lot of trouble. But you know when you get yourself, like you're talking about the Holy Spirit working inside you. Mm-hmm. All of a sudden the desires what God wants for you as an individual, he's gonna start placing that inside you, and all of a sudden what you're desiring is exactly what he's 

Justin: desiring.

Don: Yeah. 

Justin: Your interests are his interest. Oh yeah. 

Don: So you fulfill the glory you allow yourself. To be a glorified, , person that's been built and made just the way God wanted you to be made. And that's such a beautiful thing. And I know we talked about this before, a little bit about the fact that, , you know, unless the person comes to the Lord as a child, you'll have no part of them.

Don: You know, that's sort of, the disciples are trying to get the kids away. He said, let the adults here. Let's get the kids away. Jesus said, no, let these little kids come to me because such is the [00:19:00]kingdom of God. You know, we have to become childlike. To be able to enter into this, to be able to even have this walk in the spirit.

cross-talk: Yeah. 

Don: We have to say, you know, I don't know what I need to be doing, Lord, teach me how to walk. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Don: And that's where you're saying the Holy Spirit helps you take the first step, the second step. And there's nothing more beautiful as far as a Christian than seeing somebody learning how to walk. Mm-hmm.

Don: You know, they can go across the room, they're walking life. They're walking. Like, it's interesting too, and I sometimes think about this, I'll just share this a little bit, but, um,, sometimes they got , this scene where there's , , one person walking, you know, , on the beach and there's a set of tracks and all of a sudden there's two sets of tracks.

Don: Yep. You know, and they're saying that, well, it's Jesus walking alongside. All of a sudden, it's one set of tracks you don't understand is, is Jesus carrying that individual? Yeah. You know myself, I look at that a little bit. Yeah. There's one set of tracks until we come to a place where we allow Jesus a part of our life.

Don: He takes us by the hand, but there's a part [00:20:00] where he places himself inside of us. Mm-hmm. And becomes one set of tracks. It's the tracks that God is making in our life. So the places we go, what we do are walk. Completely changes because we've got him inside of us. Not only is he taught us by holding our hands and , making us steady as we go, all of a sudden we reach a point where we don't need that hand anymore.

Don: He's living inside of us. Yeah. And we're steady in what we're doing. 

Justin: Yeah. That's really good. I really like that analogy that you used there. You know, because just going back to what you said about conscious, being conscious, I think that's so important because. , what we need to do is become spiritually conscious.

Justin: Yeah. Right. So right now , if you don't understand how the spirit works, then you're not spiritually conscious. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: So we need to be aware, we need to be awakened to this. And faith itself is built up [00:21:00]in the spirit. Right. So the reason I'm saying that. Things happen in the spirits before they manifest in the physical realm here is because I've experienced this many times in my own life and I've had spiritual revelations and stuff like that of things that I.

Justin: I was told or given before things would actually happen. And when you think about faith, faith is entirely built up in the spirit. You know, it says the whole point of we walk by faith, not by sight, is to not give into the desires of the flesh. Because the flesh, what can be seen , is deception, right?

Justin: It's deceptive, right? So we cannot be deceived by the flesh. We walk in the faith, right? We walk . In this spirit. Yep. So this is why we can see things happening before they happen. Because I already go to that place in time and I see that it's done right. And I bring it down here. Right. Just like with [00:22:00] Jesus when he was instructing his disciples, right.

Justin: How to praise telling them your will father, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Amen. So as it's already. Is in heaven, right? Yeah. Already exists there. It already is there. Bring it down to here. Mm-hmm. So we bring this stuff down from heaven. When we have faith, we see ourself into, you could say we see ourself into the future, but we see ourself into the spirit 

Don: That's right.

Don: Already 

Justin: gaining whatever this is or this outcome already happening. Yeah. For what we're believing. Right. This why. Belief is so important. So in other words in saying this is like we take ownership and we take authority when we walk by faith and not sight. Yes. We are no longer letting our flesh dictate our lives because then when we do that, the spirit is our first.

Justin: Line of action in our first line of defense. 

cross-talk: [00:23:00] Mm-hmm. 

Justin: Right. Yeah. Because it's, it's not only just an action now, it's a defense mechanism too, because it works. We, we are spiritually discerning. Discernment is when you can tell, and you can distinguish uh, between what is a good spirit and what is.

Justin: An evil spirit, right? Mm-hmm. You can distinguish, discern between the good and the bad, right? In order to defend yourself, to put on that armor of God. Yeah. You have to understand what's around you. You have to understand what attacks are coming at you. That's right, because. If you don't understand the battlefield, you're getting hit by attacks left and right all day.

Justin: Mm-hmm. And you don't know what's good and what's evil. And you think all your, you think all your thoughts are just yours. And then you think all the spiritual attacks are just your own thoughts. Right. And you have no way we're, , we're running in this world with a quiver with no arrows in it. Right.

Justin: Because we have no idea how to discern this stuff. So. It's important to first understand this to become [00:24:00] spiritually conscious so that we can not only walk in this, but so that we have the ability to defend ourselves when the attacks 

Don: come. Oh yeah. That's very good what you're saying there too. And you know, you talk about battle, you talk about a lot of this stuff.

Don: You know, you take somebody that is not battle ready. You know, they put 'em into the military. They got a commander in chief, and these guys sometimes are very hard. They got 'em doing things that make no sense at all. 

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. But 

Don: you know, they develop a trust and a faith in the commander, whatever he says.

cross-talk: Yeah, they 

Don: do. And pretty soon they become an example. And you, all of a sudden there's people following them. Yeah. You know, and the way God has structured the church body is, it's so important to get good examples, especially if you're young to an idea as far as walking in the spirit, to have a good example, somebody that's already marching in the right direction.

Don: 'cause you talked about a narrow way. To eternal life. Mm-hmm. 

cross-talk: Yeah. If you 

Don: either be there finding a Broadway that leads to eternal [00:25:00] destruction. Yep. Okay. So the Broadway, I mean, you don't need a leader on that. You'll just fall into it the narrow way. You need a leader. You need somebody that is walking in the spirit, someone who is strong in their beliefs and their.

Don: Faith that nurture you and to direct you and to carry you. And pretty soon you'll be marching to the beat that they're marching to. Pretty soon God has got a, a pathway lined up for each one of us to walk in these, and what happens is then all of a sudden you become the leader. You become the one that's filled with his spirit walking the walk.

Don: Talking the talk and allowing them an opportunity to step in the steps that Jesus Christ stepped in and made for us a long, long time ago. And that's where these 12 men, the disciples, learn the walk with Jesus. They learn his steps, they learned how he walked. And when he left this world, he says, I'm gonna, not leaving you Comfortless.

Don: He said, I'll fill you with the Holy Spirit and power. Mm-hmm. 

cross-talk: Not [00:26:00] only 

Don: was it the Holy Spirit, but the. Power to walk the walk. Yep. And we need to have people with some intestinal fortitude to say, Hey, you know what? I need this. I'm going after this man. I am going to find everything that's needed to be found.

Don: I remember in the, I think it's in the Book of John, he says, we found that, which in the whole Old Testament and the Allah, they were searching for Jesus Christ. This one man. 

cross-talk: Yeah. 'cause 

Don: this one man was the answer for everything. Mm-hmm. And he's the answer today as far as our walking and our 

Justin: walk in the spirit.

Justin: And he's always been the answer. The thing is, is I love what you said about that, with, you know, Jesus Christ, just being the, he's the example. He's the blueprint. Because . I, I like what you said about commander in chief and the way the church, the body of believers is built up.

Justin: It's built on authority. Right. It's built on authority. Yeah. And we have authority. And the thing about Jesus, right? The thing about. Jesus the Christ. This is the son of God [00:27:00] who was there before the foundations of the world were laid. Right? So the Holy Spirit is not some new concept. The Holy Spirit is something that used to be upon people.

cross-talk: Mm-hmm. 

Justin: You know, in the Old Testament days, there would be. The prophets. The prophets would get the word of God. The Holy Spirit would come upon them. They didn't have it all the time. It would come upon them and they would prophesy. Right. Right. And it would be four or 500 years sometimes between them. And then you would have the priests.

Justin: Yeah. And the priests would serve. Right. Right. And then you would have the high priests who would access in the the tabernacle to the Holy of Holies and stuff. And then you'd have the kings. Yeah. And the Holy Spirit would come upon the kings, like King David, for instance. Yes. 

cross-talk: Yes. 

Justin: And they would. ,, they would get revelation and they would get things in the spirit.

Justin: Mm-hmm. You know, this wasn't a, this, this is not an old concept and it's not a new concept. Yeah. It's, it's an eternal concept. Right. That's what the spirit is. Right. God is spirit. Yes. So when Jesus, who always existed, who was the same yesterday, today, and forever came, put [00:28:00] his blood on the mercy seat when he resurrected.

Justin: He is now giving that spirit to be poured out onto all believers. Amen. It happened at Pentecost. Yes. It's still happening today. Yes. And we have to discern these things. Right? Right. So I think that a good way to do this is that a good way to do this, I think is that first understanding this, and now how do I get into it?

Justin: Right? Mm-hmm. I think praying about it, right. , getting in your secret place. Yeah. If you don't already have one, go 

Don: Yeah. To a 

Justin: closet. Go to a, you know, a chair or something that you have. Mm-hmm. And you can make a habit out of praying, right. And asking God about these things. Asking him to reveal things to you because the Holy Spirit is gonna lead you in all truth.

Justin: Right. It's so what I've noticed in my life is when I pray. For something. Mm-hmm. And when I pray in the spirits, you know, and when I'm engaging in the spirit, I just then walk away and go on my way. Yeah. Because then what happens is God [00:29:00] is gonna speak to me. Mm-hmm. When I walk away, or sometime during the day later or a couple hours later, God is gonna speak to me in the spirit.

Justin: Right. When I'm not focused on it. Yeah. And it's happening from. Spirit to spirit. Mm-hmm. You see, because there's no distance in the spirit. 

Don: Yeah. 

Justin: Right. This is why you can pray for somebody who's around the world and something is gonna happen in their life. That's right. That you saw happening in heaven, brought it down.

Justin: Mm-hmm. Because there's no distance there. It's happening from spirit to spirit. Yeah. So that's just always something I like to say is that. Pray for it. 'cause a lot of times we pray for things and we sit there and we say, oh God, speak to me right now. And it's not happening. Right. It's like you're not, you're not giving it, you're being a little impatient, but you're just, you're thinking that , you need a response right away. Yeah. That's not faith, Don. Faith is. I know. I'm gonna get it. That's right. And I don't need it right now. But Father, just tell me. Tell me what I need to know, and then you go on your way. And then he's gonna speak to you in the spirit.

Justin: [00:30:00] That's for 

Don: sure. That's, this has been beautiful, uh, Justin, and I think, you know, God has really got something going here. It's one thing about the Bible truth seems like it cuts through everything. Mm-hmm. You know, when you talk about the spirit of truth, it cuts through everything. That's why I always encourage people, you need to continue to watch your walk and see how your walk is doing because it lines things up and God is really wanting us.

Don: He's wanting us more than we want to walk the walk. He's wanting us to have a spiritual walk with him. He wants to be able to walk the coolness of the night with hand in hand with us or within us, and experience things in life. And we give him an opportunity when we develop a good walk with him. And this is a process.

Don: This is something God has designed us for and this is a beauty and it's something that we're gonna carry into eternity someday. We walk with him for the rest of time.   

Justin: Well, I [00:31:00] think that wraps it up for today. This was a good one, Justin. I think so too. Hey, we're glad you guys found your way here today, and we hope you can join us again next week for another good word.

Justin: Until then, stay blessed by the best. See you guys.